DANI: Katy, how are you today?
KATY: Good! How are you?
DANI: I’m okay, fighting off a cold, but I’m talking to you, so that’s good. I feel better.
KATY: Aw, that’s nice.
DANI: Aw. You sound nice and bright and shiny today.
KATY: I’m very shiny. I oiled up right before this podcast.
DANI: Whoa. All right.
KATY: I like to do my podcasts oiled. Like a machine.
DANI: A well-oiled Katy machine. Well, it’s good that you are feeling bright and shiny and well-oiled, because this is an important episode. This episode of Katy Says, we are going to focus on building a community around you that helps you and everyone in that community achieve your goals of, like, healthy, happy living.
KATY: All right.
DANI: So you don’t have to do all this alone, which is comforting.
KATY: Yeah, and it might almost be too hard to do alone. Maybe a community might be the solution.
DANI: Mm-hmm. So I had a couple of definitions; you know I like to read from things and sing a lot. I’m not going to sing, but I’m going to read.
KATY: All right, do it.
DANI: Okay. There are two definitions of community: 1) a group of people who live in the same place or have a particular characteristic in common, 2) a feeling of fellowship with others as a result of sharing common attitudes, interests, and goals.
DANI: Let’s focus on that latter definition, because we live within communities but we also find communities that share our common interests and attitudes and they don’t live anywhere near us. Sometimes the people that we find are very far away, but we connect with them via things like Facebook, the Google, Big Tent. There are easy ways to find people that you share a common interest with, and people that you resonate with, but we also have great people around us in the proximity. Let’s talk about different ways that you can get it done with the people around you.
KATY: All right.
DANI: All right. Let’s see. How can we utilize, and I’m just thinking here, I’m not really asking but if you want to chime in you can.
DANI: So what are some ways that you can use your community to help you achieve your goals? So let’s just say you have a goal of, I want to walk more.
KATY: Well, I think we did another show – it’s like, go right now to Facebook, where hopefully you have some friends local to you. And in this case it would be that first definition of community where people have to be –
DANI: In your proximity.
KATY: Maybe, perhaps close.
KATY: In your same area. “I need a walking buddy.” Put the time that you want to walk and the distance you want to walk and be like, I’m looking for a walking partner, and you will find that magical one. And that could be one way, or maybe you make a phone appointment with a friend – like maybe you don’t have someone near you but you have someone who will get up every day and will talk with you on the phone while you go for a walk.
DANI: Which is brilliant, if you don’t have local walkers, yeah.
KATY: Which is another idea.
DANI: That’s great.
KATY: Although you were saying that you actually use – you – that you use your walking buddies essentially as protection from scary things, which I would, like, before it made sense and now that I think about it, it’s like, that’s very interesting, so, so, yes – okay.
DANI: Well, because believe it or not, I don’t really like to talk much.
KATY: So you just need someone to act like a bulletproof vest, it’s like; can you just walk around me?
DANI: I could just duck behind; pretend I’m tying my shoe while the bullets fly.
KATY: There you go.
DANI: No, I love my walking buddies. Walking buddies, if you’re listening, I would never, ever hold you in front of me in the presence of gunfire. We would just both run together. So, you know, that’s what trees are for. So I would never do that. Yeah, and that’s how I found my walking buddies was just local Facebook pals.
KATY: Yeah, me too.
DANI: But I do have a friend who does the phone call. She gets up every morning, her friend’s in a different time zone, and they get on their phones with their headsets and take off walking. So it’s that commitment, and that’s a big part of that –
DANI: -- is when you engage a community around you, for you to all get stuff done or to live the lifestyle that you want, you’re making a commitment.
KATY: Yeah, you are responsible for doing your part and someone else holds you accountable, although I think you probably hold yourself more accountable to someone else than maybe to yourself, so. Walking buddies are fabulous.
DANI: Right. Walking buddies are great. Well, how about you share, because really, this whole show was inspired by you because you have inspired me to do these different kinds of things and more in my community. So would you share some examples of how you have used your community in the past to get – to git ‘er done?
KATY: Yeah, well, I think the biggest – like are you talking about our dinners?
DANI: I like your dinners.
KATY: Well, the dinner one is the big one.
DANI: But you’ve done all sorts of things.
KATY: I do a lot of stuff, yeah. Creating community seems to be what I like to do quite a lot of. I thrive in a community, I thrive with shared responsibility. Like, I recognize that I am really good at one thing but not necessarily really good at many other things, and everyone has this amazing skill set that I just love to bask in. I love to bask in other peoples’ amazing skills, but only when you get together collectively do you recognize that oh, you don’t have to do it all. So one of the things – like, I’m always looking for more outside time. You know, we did a whole show on nature school and we talked about, like, our family spends quite a bit of time outside, but there are these things that force you inside, like cooking and meals a lot of times, and the fact that, okay, your kids have been around just you for the bulk of the day and they’re done with that, you are no longer interesting and they’re bored or whatever. So our meal nights kind of came about, like, I’m a fast cooker. If I’m making something, I can usually make a lot of it, or sometimes I’ll have just a little – enough food for a little dish and I don’t want to spend time to go to the grocery store but I could make a salad or I could whip up just burgers or – and I would just put a text out, going, we are going to this park. And we are bringing a dish of food. If everyone just brings a dish of food from whatever they have in their refrigerator right now, meet here and then the kids just go run off and play, it’s like fresh legs, right?
KATY: Fresh legs, everyone’s here, and they’re like, what! All my friends, I’m so excited! And we’re hanging out with the people that we adore. We are also hanging on the monkey bars and swinging and going for a little walk and we end up getting two more hours of outside time, plus I didn’t have to spend the time going to the grocery store or cleaning up after a big meal. Everything’s just outside and that – doing that like 3 times a week is huge. And you had actually, I think, did something similar but you actually started a page for it – like, a Facebook page of here’s where we’re meeting and you invited a lot of people so that attendees could just cycle based on who was digging it that day?
DANI: Right, well, we just have a one day a week meeting planned and the list of all the parks is there because I’m a little more – I’m not so good at the fly by the seat of the pants, I gotta kinda know, Wednesday’s the day. So yeah, we started this community – just invited everybody in, you either come or you don’t. It’s not a potluck in this instance, you know, so it’s just you bring food, if you want to share, you can share. But you don’t have to, because we didn’t want people to feel that –
DANI: -- that restraint. And then that’s it. And it just goes all for us through the spring and summer, through the fall, when it starts to get snowy, because nobody really wants to sit on the ground. But I just love that idea, and you have inspired us to do that and everybody that has joined our community here locally – we call it summer dine – but because I also like to name things. I have a proclivity for naming things.
KATY: You are very good at naming things. Your children have amazing names.
DANI: Yes. Thank you. But it’s because of you – I mean, it’s a brilliant idea, and it’s not just – it’s getting you outside, it’s letting your kids play with people, it’s letting you see, as you said, the people that you like, and also making new friends. For us, that was a big part of it, was meeting more people in the community that I may just know through Facebook locally, or that know a friend of a friend. But also – yeah, that outside time is big.
KATY: Well, and one time, we do have – we do a winter version of it where it’s inside, where we just call it like a soup night. One family will make the soup and everyone goes to that house for that Friday night or Wednesday night or whatever night you pick, and then all the kids are just – they’re just gone. And like, your house is just destroyed. Because all the toys are out, all the clothes are out – whatever – but, like, you just get 3 hours or 2 hours of just this chill kind of hang out vibe, and then you get to go to someone else’s house and do it 3 other times that month in exchange for that one thing is 3 times when you don’t have that. And one time we were at a park and there was a family there who was traveling, they were like – they were just traveling here. We just invited them. We were like, you guys look like you could use a home-cooked meal, and you know what, when you’re traveling with kids, you know, it’s like your kids have only played with your kids while you’re on the road. We’re on the road a lot and I just thought, I know what that feels like. These kids had actually – this family had come down to where we had our nature school which was just closing up, so we had a, you know, 10 minutes of having lunch next to them. And they ended up coming, and it was just like –
DANI: I bet they loved that invitation. That was probably awesome for them.
KATY: Well, it was awkward, I’m sure, because here’s this strange person, you know me, I’m like, do you guys want to come over for dinner tonight? Why don’t you come over for dinner tonight. You know? And I said, it’s – we had all of our friends here, so it ended up being like 40 people in our house, but their kids – like kids do – boom, gone. Playing, playing, playing. You know, the parents just got a few hour mental break and the food – and they brought this amazing, like, I think they brought like a cole slaw, and it – the evening just ended up like it always does with everyone doing calf stretches, you know, in the living room, and yeah.
DANI: Oh, man, that’s wild. That’s like the ‘70s at your house, man, that’s crazy.
KATY: It wasn’t like the ‘70s in my house. It wasn’t. It was just – there were no Bosu in the ‘70s, and I had like the guy on the Bosu – it was awesome. And I guess, like, people – I just love that sense of community. Like, that connected me to someone who lived in a completely different side of the United States, and I just like people. I like connection, and I like assuming the best out of everybody. You know, everyone’s like, why do you invite, like, how would you know? And I was like, because, like, anyone who would come would – if you say yes to that invitation, you’re going to be cool and it’s going to be awesome. And it was. It was a magical day.
DANI: That’s pretty cool. That’s an awesome story.
KATY: So go out to your park right now and invite someone over for dinner.
DANI: Soup! Say, it’s soup night, why don’t you come on over?
KATY: Well, the soup night that we – when we first moved to this town, the soup night was already in effect with another group. And the rules of soup night were: you had to have small children, and you were allowed to bring in someone – like, you should bring someone new into the group.
DANI: Oh, that’s very neat.
KATY: Yes, and so when we were moving here, we knew nobody with small children and the first one we went to, there was like 30 adults and 50 kids. There were so many kids. But it wasn’t like, ugh, just the relaxation of moving to a place, knowing nobody, and then we didn’t really end up bonding so much with that one, but we took the idea with the people that you eventually make as your friends. But it was still – we still made some nice friends, but then with our friends who we’ve really come to love and, you know, who are really at the center of our tribe, we do it on a much more regular basis. Weekly, if not 2 or 3 times a week.
DANI: That’s great, and it’s just yeah, that commitment to yourself – everybody around you and yourself.
DANI: Which I like because one of the things that we have kind of put out there with our summertime thing is that even if just you show up and nobody else shows up, you are outside.
DANI: And I love that part – you are sitting outside with your kids and your chicken or whatever it is, and so it’s never a loss.
DANI: That you’ve got 30 people around you or just you around you, but you guys are outside, eating your meal outside and climbing on monkey bars. Thank you for that, I just love that idea.
KATY: You’re welcome.
DANI: And it was your idea. It was a good idea. But – and then there’s smaller ways, too. Like, you don’t have to have a big old soup night or sort of a community potluck, but you can just figure out ways to share in your community. Like, don’t you do a lot of childcare/bone broth kind of things?
KATY: Nah, well, I don’t do any childcare with my bone broth, though. I tried to get bone broth to watch my kids once and it didn’t turn out well.
DANI: They actually, the children make delicious bone broth. I mean, you should see my hair and nails. Fantastic.
KATY: It’s like Hansel and Gretel right now, what is happening?
KATY: This is Hansel and Gretel broth.
DANI: Hey, listeners – I don’t eat kids. But anyway.
KATY: What do you have against goats, anyway? One of the – I guess one of the other community – did you snort?
DANI: I did.
KATY: One of the – hey, I guess when we go back to natural movement which is the umbrella which all this stuff kind of falls, there’s recommendations about what kids need and what teenagers and adults need, and it’s very – one of the limiting factors of getting what you need is, you know, the society in which we live, which is – you know, the nuclear family, and then usually the single-parent nuclear family for the bulk of the day because someone’s working or both people are working and there’s just not the luxury of being able to go take a 5-mile walk for 5 hours, even though everyone wants to do, perhaps, a version of that. Or would like to do more outside, but there’s just not the time. And one of the things that the community that we have worked to develop involves, you know – hiring babysitters is expensive.
KATY: Which I did not realize. I haven’t had my first for-pay babysitter, but like, you know, you go out with other friends who have kids who are a bit older and they’re like, that was like $40. That’s expensive, it’s very limiting.
KATY: However, we have friends who had 10 year olds and 11 year olds and 12 year olds who are at this age where they want to be out of their home. They’re like, I’m not interested in being in my house anymore because there’s a particular dynamic, but they would love to come over here and be in charge of smaller kids and the kids love having these – you know – slightly older children in charge of them, and we’ve done it with kids as young as 8. I have nieces and nephews and we have neighbors and so in the end, the mom who – like, the single mom – who, you know, is struggling to figure out that she didn’t want her daughter to go home after school to be by herself, but at the same time the daughter didn’t want to go to daycare, you know, because she’s too old. She’s 10 or 11.
KATY: I needed to hire someone, you know, for a couple hours after school at the end of the day when the kids are done with me and I am done with them, just – I don’t mean that in a bad way, but in a way hopefully every parent can relate to, it’s like, there’s nothing happening in this exchange right now.
KATY: And I was just – little things like that, like how about 2 days a week your daughter comes over here and works for us, and in exchange, I send your daughter home with a casserole. So now, the mom didn’t have to pay for childcare, I didn’t have to pay for childcare, the mom doesn’t have to come home and figure out what to make, her daughter gets to take home a nutritious meal, because even just cooking dinner which I was going to do anyway is just this relaxing, enjoyable thing for me to do. I’m making – like do you see how, like –
KATY: -- that – that right there could save lives. I mean, everyone –
DANI: But I love it, because there’s really no – it does not cost a lot at all. It costs nothing, and it’s brilliant.
KATY: Like, it’s just – it’s equal to the food that gets thrown away, and it’s just – it’s just this – my husband was kind of talking about it, and he said, I feel like, people are afraid to ask to borrow. To take something without exchanging money, like if you want a tool, you don’t want to ask someone to borrow it, you just go buy it yourself. Because you don’t want to, like, inconvenience the person and then what if you break it? And then the person is like, well, what if someone breaks the thing that I lend them? And so eventually, just, no one shares. Everyone has a garage full of tools that almost 100% of the time are unused, like, you can only use a thing at a time, and so everyone then has to buy them. And then, that’s kind of like what I think is driving consumerism as a whole, is we don’t live in a community that shares a single set of things. And if you just kind of really approach – all right, you can have pretty much – if you came over, there wasn’t anything in my house that I wouldn’t let you have, I would say, with the exception of my children, and even then, I would give them to you for like a short period of time if you really wanted them. I think that that – if you’re trying to figure out how to get more movement into your life, whether you’re talking about getting more movement for the kids or just for yourself: I need a break, I need a 5-mile walk, adult-paced, by myself – that there is a way to sculpt that out for you, and so that was just one solution of how I’ve used community. People are like, you do a tremendous – I do a tremendous amount of work. It’s not people saying it. I do a tremendous amount of work, but what you don’t see is me leverage a willing community and them leverage me right back. That I am just really open to anything that I can do for you. And then it took me a little while to learn how to ask for what I could use people to do for me. It was great – and then you’ve got, I mean, just the dinner thing. I keep coming back to the dinner, but dinner is stressful. All meals are stressful. Getting breakfast, getting lunch, getting dinner made – that’s such a huge, time-consuming, and you know, co-ops of gardening co-ops where you just come together and swap food. You don’t even have to go buy produce. Someone started in the town I lived in before, she started a Sunday garden produce: bring your eggs, bring your whatever. If you have eggs? I don’t see why you ever have to cook for yourself. Just be like, I’ll give you this carton of eggs, if you have chickens, I’ll give you this carton of eggs if you turn this carton of eggs and all these other vegetables – because I love gardening but I don’t love cooking so much – can you turn that into a quiche? It’s like amazing.
KATY: I’ll do that. Because I’m going to – once I chop everything, I might as well just make 2 quiches and I’ve got all these eggs! Like, think in terms of that and I think you’ll be the healthier for it in the long run.
DANI: Yeah. And there’s kind of even organized ways that people do that like with the Buy Nothing communities and time banks. If you go to timebanks.org there’s people that just share time for time. So if you’re really good at plumbing, you give somebody an hour’s worth of plumbing and then they can go into the bank and, you know, take that hour’s worth of plumbing, but then they’ve got to give an hour’s worth of childcare or bookkeeping. It’s time for time, so. There’s just –
KATY: What if you just – what if you just did that on your Facebook, again, or just go, I can do this – this is what I can do for an hour. I can teach an exercise class, so if I lead – if I teach a yoga class, these 2 mornings and it doesn’t cost you anything, does anyone have anything else that they’d like to put up? And just think outside – or teach a class for food. If you were a – like, if you’re a movement teacher, why not have one of your classes once a week instead of it being for money, why don’t you say, everyone should just bring one home-baked thing, or bring a food product. Something that someone already has, you know, that just goes unused and then all of a sudden, instead of getting money to then having to go spend time to buy food, the food just came to you. It was a more direct exchange and a representation of our skillset. Like, our skillsets are reduced down to dollars, which then – the dollars – the dollar is the middle man instead of a real good, this is my joy. This is my offering. And then someone can accept your offering for what it is without it having to be converted first. So, I don’t know.
DANI: Right, and I think you’ve really hit the nail on the head when you said people just don’t want to ask for stuff, because that dollar prevents them – if you have the dollar, you don’t have to ask. But if you could just get over that step and ask for something, that’s the key and that’s very cool.
KATY: Well, communities – a community or tribe is made of people, and so – so to find your tribe, you know, if you’re putting a dollar barrier, maybe, in front of who you are it might be more difficult to find the people who are interested in what you have to offer. And likewise, more difficult to find people who have things you are interested in.
KATY: So if you strip that away a little bit, it’s like, oh! I see right now that you and I could be in a reciprocal relationship so easily. So – so simply, without having it to be five steps separated.
DANI: Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I had a friend who suggested that we start like a gardening or weeding club, and a cleaning – spring cleaning club. So you’ve got 4 people, you spend an hour at everybody’s house, so you’ve still spent the 4 hours that you would be spending at your own house doing it, but you’re doing it for everybody and with everybody. You’re still getting the same job done.
KATY: Yes, and then it’s you working for four hours is different than four people coming over and getting that job turned over in an hour.
KATY: You know, that reminds me, there was another group in Portland, I think, where it was a group of families, maybe 4 or 5 – I think – it might have been 4 or 5 – and they cycled through each others’ homes one weekend day. And if it was your day to have people at your house, all you had to do was provide the lunch, and you know, some drinks and snacks for that day – for that 6 hour period, and they would do whatever task you had them do when it was your day. You were trimming your trees, you’re cleaning out an attic, you’re packing because you were moving, you were – whatever – you’re painting your house. It doesn’t matter. There was nothing except, let us know how we need to dress, essentially, and then that was it. And you got all of that labor, but more importantly, you had all of that fun and friendship, you know?
DANI: Yeah. I mean, working by yourself is way different on those kind of tasks than when you’re surrounded by other people. Way different.
KATY: And you have to work and take care of your kids, so you have to do two jobs. But the kids all take care of each other, like herd mentality, right? They’re out doing stuff, and we just did this with our friends’ lavender farm. They’re like, we are young, struggling farmers with young kids, we need to plant 2,000 lavender plants and they need to go in the ground by this time. And with the two of them, there would have been no way they could have done it. So we’ll buy you lunch – and it was the most awesome day, right? I did easily 500 squats and bent over. Things that I would have wanted to do anyway, I was out in the sun, barefoot, feet in the dirt, with all of my friends that I love. My kids – I did not see my children for 5 hours. They were just running around on the property, on the back side of the property, and again – with 15 children. We saw them when they came out for lunch. But it was a magical, sunny, amazing day. Music, just as good as going to a party, only they got their lavender field planted. I – who use their lavender farm all the time to sit in and relax – was able to – for free, you know – gave something back to them. It was just, like, I don’t know. That’s really how we’re looking to live the bulk of our life here, and it is freeing up so much time.
DANI: Freeing up is free.
KATY: I added a – I don’t know why I added the extra hard “e.” Freeing. Because it would sound like – it sounded like fring. Freeing up. Freeing up.
DANI: It’s brilliant. I get so excited when we talk about this kind of stuff. Um, and you had another idea – something you introduced me to the last time we spoke was a book sharing community? You know, where you share books, which is also awesome? Because sometimes the lines can get very long at the library if you’re waiting on some books.
KATY: What’s the name of that one we were talking when we were having our meeting, like what was the – once again, we’ve totally managed to botch our friend’s contribution to this. There are a couple services; it’s called something weird like Book Bonk or Book –
DANI: Probably a book in the title.
KATY: Yeah. And you just – you pay for an envelope one time, and then after that there’s just a list of all the books, and it’s just like a giant library, and the only cost is you shipping the book when you’re done with it to the next person. It’s brilliant.
DANI: Yeah, it’s very cool.
KATY: Well, there’s 35 people waiting at my local library to read Move Your DNA and I’m like, people, that’s a really long time. There’s 3 copies there.
DANI: That is a really long time.
KATY: And that’s, like, how many – what’s a library book, 2 weeks? But with the option of doing it one more time?
KATY: That’s 3 years! You have to wait 3 years.
KATY: We should see if it’s on Book Bonk or Book Launch or Boo or something.
DANI: Just, just – folks, look up book and sharing and I’m sure –
KATY: Yeah, I’m sure the internet is more competent than we are.
DANI: And, uh, shoe sharing, that was another really good idea that you had. When people are looking to – for outfitting their kids in more minimal, which can sometime be expensive, or any shoe, really, but minimal shoes – kids just don’t wear them out. Their little feet grow too quickly.
KATY: Soft Star shoes, which is a shoe company that I love – they actually started – at least on their page – on their page – to buy brand new shoes was also a place where you could post your used shoes, so someone could buy used shoes. But then I thought, wouldn’t it be great if there was like some sort of kids’ minimal shoe swap? Because you get so many shoes, you get them as gifts, and – or you find something, like, I’m constantly – I’ll buy minimal shoes anytime I’m at a thrift store and I find a good pair that is clearly – I’ll just buy them, because I know that I have someone in my community who will want them. And it’s like, I’ll spend $5 now. It’s like, I will do the finding work for you, but I thought that would be cool if there was some sort of primal health website that created this, like, shoe swap for kids. I know adults kind of beat through their shoes. But for kids, like, you buy them and you want to buy good, high-quality shoes. You want to invest in them, but how long are they going to wear them? A season? A half a season? So. That’s just another idea. And I share mine with my community locally.
DANI: Mm-hmm. That’s a great idea. Yeah, and you’re never really going to recoup your costs on those things so you might as well just spread the love and let everybody get use out of them.
KATY: Well, you recouped it, like you’re not – recouping the cost would imply that there was no benefit gained while you wore them, so it’s like, you –
DANI: That’s true.
KATY: You got it, you got everything – every moment that you wore that shoe you reaped the benefit of that shoe, and anything that you make off of that shoe is bonus.
DANI: That’s true. That’s a good way to look at it. I have something kind of neat that I want to share – that somebody in our online community started, and she gave me permission to use her name, so we’ll just call her Breena. She started a thing – she asked, she had the guts to go out there in her community and ask, and she said, I need somebody to meet with me via Skype or whatever once a week to be my accountability partner. Of course, 100 people stepped up and went, that’s a really good idea! And we have changed it so – I’ve nicknamed it Accountabilibuddy, so we have Accountabilibuddies. And once or twice a week, depending on how many buddies you have, we meet via Skype at a certain time so they are scheduled then, it’s not just random, like every Tuesday from 7:30-8:30 AM that’s our time together. You can do it with people in different time zones, and we meet via Skype, we talk for 3 minutes about what are you going to do in this next hour? And then you do that thing. And it really prevents you from goofing off or checking Facebook – it’s, you get it done because you know that somebody’s counting on you at the end of that hour to report back to them. And it has been hugely successful for everybody that I’ve talked with that has participated in it. It costs nothing. All of us are getting things done. One of my partners got something done – she’s waited 8 years since she’s had kids to get done, and in that one hour she got it done.
KATY: What was it? I gotta know. Can you say?
DANI: It was – uh, yeah – it was cleaning out – her computer was so slow, that it was just sitting down, and she works at home and raises her kids at home, and this has never – it’s like one of those back burner things, like I gotta do it. But that’s the cool thing about this is that you can ask for somebody to meet with you virtually or whatever and you can just do whatever you want to do, but then when you report back to them, they feel good, you feel good.
KATY: What did you do? Did you get something done?
DANI: I got something done. I get something done every time, it’s amazing. Like, I cleaned out a file or a wrote a blog post. I worked on a novel. It’s – and I have one that she just does – she’s really prolific writer, but she doesn’t get enough movement in for her happiness level. So it’s funny watching her face when we check in by Skype at the beginning. What are you going to do today? I’m going to move. And then in 60 minutes we check in again and she looks like the happiest person in the world.
KATY: Aw, I love that.
DANI: And that’s the best part is seeing her face. It even overrides my own happiness at my own accomplishments because, you know, she did that and – so – it’s brought a bunch of us closer together, and none of us live next door to each other, and I think that that’s – there’s so many different ways that you can ask for what you need and offer what you can give to make things work for everybody.
DANI: Mm-hmm. Community is fantastic.
KATY: Well, thanks for doing this show. I think this show is going to be really helpful.
DANI: Yes. Yes, it was helpful for me. And if anyone wants to share their ideas, too, their own ideas that they’re using, because I’m sure there’s a million. And really you – you inspired all this in me, so, thanks, Katy.
KATY: Aw, right back, community. Community friend.
DANI: All right. I just want to remind everybody: thank you always for listening. We appreciate it. If you ever want to ask a question to be featured on the podcast, or if you want to focus on something, you can go to KatySays.com and there’s little widgets there where you can actually record your question or you can type it in if you’re just one of those quiet types, and as always, we love your reviews on iTunes and Stitchr. It helps us make a better podcast for you. That’s all I have to say, how about you?
KATY: I am – I am mute from this point on.
DANI: You’re spent. Well, I appreciate, as always, sharing time with you, and I hope you have.
KATY: I’d like – this is – this is me – this is me, getting together with you, my community member. I love this podcast.
DANI: It is, I really do look forward – I always learn so much with you. So, thank you for your time. I hope the rest of your day is shiny and happy.
KATY: And slick.
DANI: And slick.
KATY: Don’t forget slick.
DANI: Well-oiled machine, keeping it real. All right.
KATY: Talk to you later.
DANI: Thanks, Katy.
DANI: Bye bye.